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reading citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan and I'm here in

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person with Maureen Elsberry thanks for

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hanging out with us today we'll be

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discussing the season finale of

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history's project Bluebook today but

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first the reason Maureen and I are in

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the same room today is because we just

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spoke at Emerald City Comicon here in

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Seattle and whirring how was your first

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time speaking in your home of Seattle it

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was great I was really not sure what the

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turnout would be like and we were a

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panel leader in the day but we sold out

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and had a great crowd and glad to know

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that so many people in my hometown are

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interested in the anomalous yeah it was

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an awesome audience they were really

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engaged I thought it's always fun when

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you're speaking to a sold-out room and

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and standing room only seeing people

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that interested in what you're talking

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about and they're just like standing

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standing in the back of the room willing

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to stand there for an hour while you

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talk about weird stuff yeah and we

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talked about a lot of weird stuff so we

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covered you know cryptids we did UFOs we

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did ghos we the whole gambit so yeah a

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lot of government projects and and even

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got a little bit into conspiracy

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theories a bit but mostly focused on

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actual confirmed government projects

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looking into the paranormal absolutely I

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think people really like hearing about

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though it's a fun topic we love talking

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about it I could go on all day about it

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that's right well on that topic let's

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get into this week's project Bluebook

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discussion if you haven't seen it yet or

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you're not familiar with this show

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Project Blue Book is a dramatic series

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on the History Channel it's a fictional

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series but it's based on the US air

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force's real-life official study that

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ran from 1952 through 1969 and although

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the show is fictional it draws on real

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Project Blue Book cases and from other

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elements from UFO history and UFO lore

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using these for inspiration we're

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talking about episode 10 today the final

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episode in season 1 the episode is

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titled the Washington merry-go-round and

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as we like to do before talking about

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the episode itself we'll do a quick

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run-through of the real inspiration

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behind the latest episode of Project

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Blue Book and the inspiration used for

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the plot of

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so 10 was Maureen

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it was the 1952 Washington UFO flap or

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sometimes known as the Washington DC UFO

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incident now this is an interesting case

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because we have multiple witnesses and

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it happened over two full weekends so

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basically what happened is on July 12th

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and 19th again in 1952 there was an air

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traffic controller at the Washington

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National Airport called named Edward

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Nugent he all of a sudden spotted seven

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objects and on his radar and the

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movement was kind of erratic and they

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weren't sure what it is and he knew that

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it compared to normal air traffic this

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was something out of the ordinary and

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Nugent's superior also watched the

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objects on his radar scope so something

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they both collaborated together they

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called the control tower who also

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spotted the unidentified blips and they

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also spied it excuse me spotted a bright

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light in the sky that was Suman off at a

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fast rate of speed so other objects

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appeared they went over the White House

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and the Capitol and you can imagine

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during this time seeing unknown objects

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over the Capitol tends to spread a

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little bit of concern for anybody but so

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this is all spotted the US Air Force

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sends out some f-94 starfire jet

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fighters from Delaware good old Delaware

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and they arrived in the objects vanished

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and they couldn't find them

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disappeared from the radar and then once

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the Jets decided to leave they appeared

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back so what happened in an interesting

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thing and you're gonna we'll talk about

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this too that appeared in the show is

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was in Washington DC at the time he did

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not see the objects and he didn't

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actually find out about this but I find

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this very curious he did not find out

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about this until he read a newspaper

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headline on Monday that said saucers

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swarm the Capitol and if you're running

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a government investigation program about

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UFOs and they're swarming the Capitol

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and you do not know

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you're not informed about this that's

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pretty crazy so of course he's still in

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Washington DC's like I want to

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investigate this can I please have a

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government car and they basically said

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no they said if you want to use your

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personal money go for it but we're not

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giving you a car and he was pissed off

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rightly so I think so he's pissed off he

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goes back to his base and decides like

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screw everyone a radar specialist also

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at wright-patterson Air Force Base then

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suggested that these were indeed just a

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phenomenon dealing with weather

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inclement weather basically there was

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temperature inversion to blame so people

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are like alright whatever then a week

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dun-dun-dun a pilot and flight attendant

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over the weekend of July 26 through the

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27th observed strange lights above the

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plane radar centers at both the National

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Airport and Andrews Air Force Base also

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tracked these unknown objects so

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basically they returned and they were

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all over the place they were moving in

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various methods sometimes at speeds up

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to 7,000 miles per hour

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obviously not normal aircraft so again

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they send out these f94 fighter jets and

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they chased what they could you know

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bogeys below a thousand feet and they

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said there was white glowing objects and

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two more jets were scrambled out and

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they couldn't figure out what this stuff

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was so then the president's like alright

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this is two weekends what's going on so

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President Harry Truman is like somebody

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please explain to me what these are and

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basically Project Blue Book came out

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with that these were the result of

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temperature inversion plus misidentified

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meteors stars and city lights so clearly

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they kind of toss this all up and it

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blows my mind also that that this is a

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case that had such a national

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recognition and it was super important

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over the Capitol and then they're just

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like oh yeah just if the temperature was

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weird yeah

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you know they showed that really well in

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the episode and in fact I don't know

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what do you think I think of all of the

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episodes all 10 episodes this one

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probably stayed true the most and had

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more elements of the actual inspiration

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than other episodes I would completely

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agree with you we see that the

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government won't let him investigate

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this the president comes out and and

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again they they say yeah this was

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something to do with temperature but

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then they of course have to tie in this

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mystery men and black element where he's

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been sent Hey Hynix been sent there

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because they are coming and he's

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supposed to find that out and again we

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have these just weird glowing lights

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that fly over the monument and what have

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you there was one thing that I kind of

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like and I may be stretching this a bit

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but I'm really hoping that this is why

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they put that in you know how we've seen

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elements throughout each case that ties

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into little bits of you of UFO lore and

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there is a scene while they're waiting

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for the objects to appear that a kid

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throws a frisbee up in the air and I was

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like that has to be in there on purpose

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because that obviously UFOs have been

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accused of being frisbees as well so

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yeah yeah a lot of the the UFO

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photographs the old UFO photographs and

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I think they've done that a lot in this

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show and it's fun I mean like we've said

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that before it's fun for you know UFO

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geeks like us those little Easter eggs

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that are thrown in here and there I

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think they're done intentionally for us

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because the people doing the show are

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you up O'Keefe's they love this stuff

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and they put a lot of that little fun

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stuff in there I like it I'm sure

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denoise other people yeah of course but

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it's fun and I'm glad you brought that

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frisbee up cuz I when I saw that I was

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like yeah that's fun that was my money

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yeah that was my favorite part of the

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episode I was like oh frisbee yeah but I

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hope that's what it yeah intentional but

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yeah there were there were so many

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elements of this of the real inspiration

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in this episode it was almost almost all

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of it I mean they covered it well

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but like we've said I think they rushed

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a lot with this season because they had

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no idea what to expect from the show

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they didn't know if they'd get cancelled

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they did though if they'd be brought

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back and we now know that they will be

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coming back with another season what do

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you think of the the sort of cliffhanger

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ending with the yeah kind of uh I don't

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know I don't know how I feel about the

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ending I hope they're not going

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somewhere I think they're going but I

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know I think they're going there too I

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think and I just I almost don't want to

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talk about it because I you know I when

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that came on all of a sudden it was like

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switching gears to the and like what's

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gonna happen next season and we're gonna

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start off on a really crazy now yeah

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well I did see that the creators have

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commented on that ending scene saying

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that trying to explain it a little bit

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and saying what it's not because it

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clearly they set it up and it looks like

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you know they sort of activated this

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beacon and they're calling the

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extraterrestrials they said that's not

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what happened that it's not a beacon

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that was activated it's not sending a

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message in calling the extraterrestrials

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so well you kind of essentially said

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that's what it was in the show but now

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you're saying that's not what's

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happening so who knows what they're

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doing they'll probably change their

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minds too but I will say this that alien

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Con in Baltimore they sort of and this

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is before the show it even started they

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were somebody asked about you know where

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they wanted to take the show or you know

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if they happen to get another season

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what they would do and I didn't like the

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answers I got back then because they

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were just you know going crazy it's been

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balling ideas and stuff but they even

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brought up the topic of like time travel

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and stuff no no please don't do that

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yeah that's a little I mean but the

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thing is is we have seen in these

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documents recently that were released in

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January that some of the things like

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it was investigating but that was a part

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of a tip was time-travel work drive so

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that was also something that was going

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on in the 50s as well so is a very good

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point it's not very good yeah but I get

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it I get that element set because we

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don't have done meet some people believe

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we do

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can actually even get close to

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time-traveling you know of course

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there's always those people that there's

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the photograph said that how was that

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cellphone in that picture he looks like

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he's talking on a phone and it was 1910

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you know but we don't really have any

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hard proof unless somebody from the

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government wants to delete a file or -

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yeah we take that but also I mean the

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thing to keep in mind that I know it's

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difficult for the show and we have to

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sort of suspend belief - but the show is

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called Project Blue Book it's supposed

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to be about Project Blue Book right and

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the people who were involved with

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Project Blue Book so when you start

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bringing these other elements into it

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that really Project Blue Book had

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nothing to do with you start stretching

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quite quite a bit and they can do that

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and they've had fun certainly what the

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episodes they've done but if they're

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getting into these other alleged

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government programs seems to be

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deviating a bit from the core of the

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show we'll see what they do I mean I'm

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excited I'll certainly watch the next

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season I mean again it's a dramatic show

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they've got a gonna add these elements I

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get it having some like consistent theme

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aside from just these guys are military

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project investigating UFO cases I have a

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question for you oh yeah so you know

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obviously coming up we're gonna see a

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lot more cases and things is there a

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particular case that project Bluebook

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has investigated that you would like to

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see them cover in the upcoming season

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that's a good question and I was

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thinking about that as the season was

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was progressing and I think my real

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answer is no but I would like them to I

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guess the answer is I'd like to see them

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better depicting

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a true unknown and not making it so like

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over-the-top extraterrestrial mm-hmm

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right because that's a lot of what they

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did investigate they've done a and maybe

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even showing a little better of knowns

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to because even the ones they've been

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able to identify have been super crazy

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and kind of hard to believe but they

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come up with the the easy explanations

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but a lot of Project Blue Book was

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investigating things that turned out to

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be a whole lot of nothing and just

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everyday things so I like that being

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shown but the true unknowns also and I

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don't know how they would do that I mean

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I guess I'm asking the impossible but

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I'd like to show them so one of the true

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owned owns but not have it be so like

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sci-fi II and yeah terrestrial I mean I

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don't think showing in like something

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that they solve right away that we're

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positive is you know you're right every

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case has been like oh if they give an

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explanation but then there's still

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clearly they're saying it's not right so

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yeah I think that if they covered maybe

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a few cases at the beginning that had

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explanations and they could actually

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that was tangible and get those out of

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the way and then they get to an

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anomalous unknown that that would be

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nice

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it'd also be cool if they you know

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showed more the scope of project

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Bluebook and and you know how it was

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more than just two people right yeah

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yeah yeah that's a very good point there

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was basically a project Bluebook person

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at every single Air Force Base across

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the country and I mean I think a lot of

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people don't realize like what why is it

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named Project Blue Book well it was

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based off of the little notebooks that

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people would write the notes on and then

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send to the to the leaders of project

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Bluebook yeah it was a huge program it

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was a huge program so many people

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involved in it and the personnel changed

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over the years too I mean it was a

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long-running program and yeah it's kind

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of a revolving door at times too but

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yeah it would be nice to show that but

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again up to people that do research if

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they want to find out more about Project

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Blue Book for sure I'm kind of hoping

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that we get a see our buddy Lonnie Z in

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his

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police sightings that would be cool yeah

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I could do some interesting things with

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that with like the egg-shaped UFO and

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you know because I've seen other people

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comment on this too and I don't know if

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it was for budget reasons or what else

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but I would like to see a non ball of

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light UFO exactly yeah because they

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certainly did investigate those yeah

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absolutely that's a good point but yeah

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balls of light are much easier to do

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effects wise sure I get it yeah

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well it's been fun recapping these

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episodes and going through the history

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cases and lore that provide the

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inspiration for the plot of these 10

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episodes we know that Project Blue Book

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is coming back for another season so

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it's a pretty good bet that we'll be

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doing the same thing next season we now

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know that another show is coming our way

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this summer from history and this one is

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from executive producer Tom DeLonge and

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the team at to the stars Academy of Arts

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and Science the show is unidentified

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inside America's UFO investigation and

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we'll talk more about that show on our

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next episode

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